Let's Think Together
How do they know it was God speaking to them?
Published on July 19, 2007 By ThinkAloud In Religion
Recently an amazing theme started to appear in more than few of JU's postings. That is: God speaking with the authors of those postings, or so they claim. It seems that it is very fashionable nowadays to claim that what you say was according to what God told you during a "personal" speaking session with Him.

I honestly dont know what that means. In all God's messages to humanity, through His Messengers and Prophets, He said He chose those few people to convey His message to Humanity in general. He never said that He speaks to individual people privately to convey a personal message regarding those individuals and regarding them alone. The messages that were conveyed by those Messengers and Prophets were clear and specific and contain major, MAJOR, ideology and belief system. Essentially it was the Same Ideology and belief system with variations not very significant and it was intended to be delivered to all humanity not to be personal and specific to a certain individual.

so how do these people now claim that He, God, speaks to them? Messengers and Prophets of old always had what convinced people that they were REALLY getting what they say from God. They had certain qualities and capabilities no human can attain on his own. But these later-day- (i don’t even know what to call them now) have nothing meaningful to say except rehashing ideas and opinions shared and said by many other humans who never claimed that God talks to them.

GWB of course is the most famous Later-day-whatever. He said that Higher Authority told him to invade Iraq. As if this was something no one else thought of or desired before him. He forgot that his "Big Idea" was really old, as old as 1991 or even before and more sane people rejected it for its obvious dangers and wishful thinking.

Others do similar things. The prince of darkness (i.e. Robert D. Novak) recently claimed that he converted to Christianity after the HS told him so. Posts on JU are full of that kind of claims i.e. God or the HS is talking to people and told them what to do or say.

Again, how in the world do they know it was God? As far as I know God says if you want to talk to me, pray. If you want me to talk to you, read what I told my Messengers and Prophets to convey to you.

In other words unless someone claims that he/she is a prophet or a messenger he/she has no right whatsoever to say that God was talking to them. To claim otherwise is just simple arrogance and pretentious and they should really stop that. It is very silly and foolish. It shows and they just don’t see or feel it.

I just wanted to tell them all Stop it. Don’t use His name in vain to validate your brain's product (if that is where it is coming from).

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on Aug 07, 2007
That explains a lot. Thanks Ock, for taking the time. I'm sure you already explained it in spades. I just didn't realize that was necessarily what you were explaining.
on Aug 07, 2007
I was just about to start arguing with you over it, but I am absolutely sure that you will not listen to most of it, because I'm using the Bible as a basis for my arguments, and as you believe, "That there isn't a right or wrong answer that we can determine through texts" (Ock #154:3). In the Bible, there is in fact a right answer we can determine through texts. The one thing that I see that doesn't make sense to me is verse 6-10.

Why does God care whether you are helpful or not? Is it at all useful to Him? Absolutely NOT. Not unless it is done to glorify the name of Jesus Christ, who was sent to Earth to die for our sins. Then, it is useful to God. Beyond that, it is not.
on Aug 07, 2007
Lot's steadfastness is worthy of our admiration. He lived for 20 years in the wicked city and did not let himself be led away in sin, but remained firm in what was right and brought up his children in the holy fear of God


you say that and I agree. however, you ignore completely the rest: he was an alien among those people and acted as a judge on them (which they resented). Why would a regular person do that? why did he insist on living among those people? why was he a judge on them and their actions? and after bringing his children in the "holy fear of God" he would commit incest with those same chlidren?

you can pick and chose from what you read. but, again, this is not an honest search for the truth. The point, however, is not Lot being a prophet or not. It is the OT/NT contents and the way they are being read by picking and chosing.

You read Arabic then? I am presently looking into purchasing an English copy of the Qur'an. I want to make sure that I get a correct translation.


Yes i am fairly fluent in Arabic and studied it in depth. If you have any question about it i will be glad to look up the answer if i didnt know it off hand.

I dont know how you can authenticate a copy on the internet. but as LW said english translations are available there. However, printed translations could be authenticated by checking the agency which authorized it. Usually it is one of the authorized agencies in Egypt, Syria or Saudi Arabia. The certificate of authenticity is usually at the begining of the copy and identifies the agency and its members. Turkey, Pakistan and Indonesia sometimes authorize some translations. but since Qura'an is in Arabic, i usually rely more on the Arab-Countries authentications. Others sometimes miss the fine differences in the meaning for a word used in different contexts

What specifically is the INgil and what books make it up? The INgil is a Muslim confection isn't it?


it is Gods actual Words to Jesus. and it is not an Islamic confection. Same as Torah as God's actual words to Moses. Eastern Jews and Christians used both words with that definition way before Muslims Existed.
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