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Deceit ... of Citizens and Foreigners Alike
Published on January 3, 2008 By ThinkAloud In Politics
My niece who is an Assistant Professor of Political Studies has been working, since June 2007, on a paper for publication on "Deceit as a Tool in US Foreign Policy" . Last week she asked me to review her draft before she submits it for publication. I did and pointed out few points to her. One of these points was this: "not telling the whole truth to a foreign leader is not a deceit" especially if that leader does not support the US Government's policies regardless of whether those policies are right or wrong.

The US Government is not responsible for making sure that foreign leaders know everything they should know before they make their own decisions. The US is not a custodian of the world. The US Government is responsible for pursuing the best interest of its own Citizens not the interests of other countries. If the two coincide then great, if they don’t ... then we tell them what we think is best for us and that is not deceit if what we say is true. If it is not the whole truth ... then it is up to them to fill the gaps ... it is good enough that we didn’t lie. They can ask question and we should answer honestly.... but if they don’t ask we have no responsibility to educate them....

Or Do we?

That is what got me started on this article. .... Then things got worse in my mind.

This is not only happening in foreign policy ... it is happening in Domestic policies too ... here at home from our Government and the think tanks which guide and control its domestic policies.

The Foreign component deserves a separate article and there are many reasons to adopt a not-the-whole-truth policy with foreign leaders. But this article is about using the same attitude with the Citizens who elected the US government to Govern, supposedly, in their name.

The question is not only addressed to the elected officials but to every one involved in shaping or supporting these policies.

Is it legitimate to portray certain proposed ideas in a way that deceives the public and get them to agree to something that is really not what they think it is?

When dismantling the Social Security program is presented as "giving the people control over their own money" while in fact it will destroy the program and leaves great number of people with no (or vastly reduced) income after retirement …. Is that legitimate?

Every one knew that the minority who know a little about finance will be ok and may be do a little better while the majority who don’t know much about financial planning or how things work in the financial markets will be either worse off or lose their shirts in the process which negates the whole idea behind the program being a "Security" not an investment. It is an income insurance not an investment vehicle. There is the 401 K and IRA and other programs for investment ..... The SS program is not one of them.

But it was portrayed to the citizens as a better way of investment..... Was that legitimate?

When Medical Expenses savings accounts are portrayed as more economical for the individual than paying for health insurance which in fact it is for the minority who can afford paying for expensive private treatments while the majority will face a financial disaster if they need a serious operation or treatment..... Is that legitimate?

When Universal Health Care is portrayed as socialized medicine while in fact it is more efficient and less expensive for all than the current system which only benefits the Insurance Companies..... Is that legitimate?

When "getting the government off your back" is portrayed as less taxes while in fact it makes almost everyone pays much more in property taxes, college education, local services for maintaining roads and school buildings, ..Etc than what they save from Fed Taxes ... Is that legitimate?

When a program is intended to increase emissions of air pollutants and is called "Clear Skies" ... is that legitimate?

When a program results in mass exodus of manufacturing jobs from the country to foreign lands and portrayed as giving Businesses the freedom to operate where it is more efficient.... is that legitimate?

When deregulation of the communication industry results in more filth and violence on public airwaves and portrayed as less interference by government ... is that legitimate?

The examples are endless but that is enough to make the point and illustrates the dishonesty of the policies and the policy makers and supporters.

The first thing that comes to mind is this: if all that was legitimate why was it portrayed otherwise?

If destroying the SS program is the intent and they are convinced that it is the right policy ... why be dishonest about it?

If You want to save money for businesses by not giving employees health benefits and you think that is really better for businesses and employees alike..... Why lie about it?

If you want to relax the air pollution standards to save money for businesses why not say so?

No reason to keep asking the same question again and again....

Is it acceptable policy or politics to lie in order to achieve your goal?

Every citizen needs to think about that and be careful in swallowing what he/she is being fed. Many times it is dangerous for your health.

Comments (Page 6)
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on Jan 09, 2008
Don't you know there is a difference between government officials deciding policy "under the radar" as in back room agreements and actually lying to the public.




sorry lulu but there are things and times that this may be necessary.
on Jan 09, 2008
This is what I meant by them not lying per se.


that is different Lula. that is not lying. I am talking about presenting a policy in a way that "hides" (under the radar?  ) its consequences and not in plain and clear terms that lay people undererstand.

what you described, is bypassing the public in deciding the policy. that is a kind of undemocratic way of governing.
on Jan 09, 2008
that is different Lula. that is not lying. I am talking about presenting a policy in a way that "hides" (under the radar? ) its consequences and not in plain and clear terms that lay people undererstand.


You mean like McCain-Feingold Campaign Finance "Reform"? ;~D
on Jan 10, 2008
You mean like McCain-Feingold Campaign Finance "Reform"? ;~D


I was thinking "Dont Ask, Dont Tell" too. Or Bill clinton's middle class tax cuts?
on Jan 10, 2008
ThinkAloud posts:
If You want to save money for businesses by not giving employees health benefits and you think that is really better for businesses and employees alike..... Why lie about it?


Lula posts:
Businesses should be able to decide whether or not they want to offer employee health benefits...but that's no longer the case in many states.

Some governors, with and without state legislators approval, are imposing instructions to business owners to provide them.


Lula posts:
Actually, I was agreeing with your premise to a degree. What I'm saying, in the case of government mandating that businesses provide health insurance benefits smacks of government arrogantly over-imposing on its citizens, usually done under the radar, btw, but not necessarily of lying per se.


Lula posts:
ThinkAloud,

Don't you know there is a difference between government officials deciding policy "under the radar" as in back room agreements and actually lying to the public. For example, it is common practice for town, state and even federal officials to hold "workshop" meetings in which they decide "under the radar" (beforehand) how they will make policy. At public meetings, they announce and vote in what they had already decided "under the radar". This is what I meant by them not lying per se.


ThinkAloud posts:
that is different Lula. that is not lying. I am talking about presenting a policy in a way that "hides" (under the radar? ) its consequences and not in plain and clear terms that lay people undererstand.

what you described, is bypassing the public in deciding the policy. that is a kind of undemocratic way of governing.


Amen! or a high five! I think we are in agreement.
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